Showing posts with label LGD. Show all posts
Showing posts with label LGD. Show all posts

July 24, 2012

Goodbye Kody

Some of you probably remember when we got Kody, our Great Pyrenees pup. He was an unexpected addition to the homestead, when we agreed to take him from a gentleman whose wife wasn't too keen on having such a big breed dog. Kody, now 6 months old, has grown into a very handsome fellow. He's been a good companion to Kris and being a livestock guardian breed, we'd hoped he would fit in well.

He's also been a high energy dog, happy, loveable, playful, even a tease, and with a keen eye for anything amiss. His only "fault" was that he loved to chase. Chasing Kris was okay with us, but chasing chickens, goats, and Riley was not. He received many a scolding for this and spent quite a bit of time in by himself in a stall for "time out." He's also a smart dog and caught on quickly, but being a puppy, had frequent slips in his self control, especially if we weren't watching.

The chickens were terrified of him. When Mama Hen hatched her chick, the dogs were moved in with the bucks, just to keep Baby Chick safe. Chickens of course, go where they want and some of them made their way into the buck pasture, the braver ones. Even so all was well (except for chasing Buddy) until last Sunday.

Sunday afternoon Dan discovered Kody running around with a dead, mangled chicken in his mouth, one of the Barred Hollands. While we didn't witness his killing it, it is highly likely considering his continued chicken chasing. In addition, he would now associate the taste of chicken with the birds, a very bad situation indeed. Kody had to go.

When Mr. M gave Kody to us, he asked that we call him in the event we ever needed to get rid of him. Dan did just that and within the hour Mr. and Mrs. M were here to pick him up. Mrs. M had agreed to take him back without hesitation, giving this sad situation a happy ending for everyone except the chicken.

I'm not sure which Barred Holland Kody got. I had two, which were identical. If I had my druthers, I'd rather lose Mrs. Mean, but it's not like I had a choice. I'll just have to watch and see how the reamining one interacts with the others. If she chases the Buff Orpingtons around relentlessly, then I'll know that Mrs. Mean lives on.

Unfortunately I have no updated puppy photos to go with this post. I'm still having computer issues so I haven't taken a lot of photos lately. I ordered a new modem, which should be here this week. Hopefully I can get back online then! You'll be the first to know if I do.

May 4, 2012

In Which We Become A Two Dog Homestead

The other day I took Kris to the vet for the last of his last puppy shots. He weighed in at 43 pounds (that's double what he weighted a month ago), and was pronounced healthy and handsome. Except for getting into the car (he hates being put into the car) he actually behaved on the leash, for which I was very pleased. Afterwards I brought him home and then went out to do some errands.

When I got home at lunchtime, I found a message on my answering machine. It was from the receptionist at the vet's office. A gentleman had come in shortly after I left and had a Great Pyrenees puppy he needed to find a home for. He loved it dearly, but his wife wouldn't let him keep it. If he could just find a good home with plenty of room and love, he'd give it away. She immediately thought of us.

Long story short, meet Dakota...



.... called Cody for short (or should I spell it Kody or Koty, you know, for "Kris & Koty". What do you think?)



We were in no way considering another dog, but at least had to think about it after the vet's office called. I definitely would have said no if the breed mix had been wrong (I have a thing about genetic instincts), but he's not a mix, he's a full-blood Pyr. The gentleman who gave him to us is elderly and not without health problems. This was his dream dog and he was heartbroken to part with him.

A little homesick 

Weighing in at 27.5 pounds, Cody (Kody? Koty?) is 3 & 1/2 months old, one month younger than Kris. They got along instantly, but not without adjustments. There have been a few squabbles over food and toys. Both are used to being an only puppy and Koty (Cody?), doesn't understand why he's here and is still waiting to go "home." Because of that he was a little hyper the first couple of days, and there was a lot of barking and whining and running around any time he saw Dan or me. He's used to being a house and couch pup, not a barn dog. He's settled down wonderfully and except for chasing an occasional chicken, he's making a smooth transition to being an outdoor dog.



What do the other critters think? Surprise (of Most Annoying Goat fame), has been tolerant of Kris but Cody (Kody?), she has no use for. He's been booted (butted) out of "her" stall a couple of times now. He seems to do a better job of staying out of the way of goat feet than Kris however. The chickens have been much alarmed by the new presence and spent the first day in the chicken yard fussing. A couple days later they are still keeping their distance. Riley has yet to even acknowledge him, but then he has yet to acknowledge Kris. He is The Cat after all.



Right now we're just trying to be calm and consistent with both pups, especially Koty (Cody?), who has some settling down to do. Even though he's been homesick, he needs to learn the ground rules from the git-go. Kris has learned these better than we realized and will hopefully be a good example.





So that's our latest news. Updates soon. :)



April 25, 2012

Kris, 4 Months Old

Yesterday Kris turned four months old. Have I mentioned that he was born on Christmas Eve? Hence his name, as in Kris Kringle. :)


Life is pretty tough around here for a puppy these days. There are many lessons to be learned. These include learning to not get under foot, not to nip, and not to grab at hands, pants, and goat legs. The hardest lesson of all is learning play, versus not play. As a pup, he's all about play. He doesn't understand that there are 17 other critters around here expecting to be fed and tended to. On the other hand, neither do any of them. :)


He's friendly and affectionate, smart but with a stubborn streak. To get a good photo I have be on the other side of the fence. Otherwise he's trying to crawl into my pocket. :)

It would be considerably easier on the humans if he liked to play fetch. Oh, he'll play, but only if it's two, no more than three tosses of the ball or stick, and only if it's not more than 6 to 10 feet. Fetch is a wonderful way to exercise a dog and wear out a puppy, but he'd rather play tug or wrestle. This is okay during designated play times, but not okay when the goats are the object.


The other thing I'd like to teach him is about barking. Barking at the goats and chickens is not okay, barking at things that don't belong here is okay. The neighbor's dog (the one that climbed the fence to wreak havoc in our pasture) barks nonstop when it's outside. Even when it's people are in the yard.


Kris is catching on to the homestead routine pretty well. My only issue with him is that the other day I caught him with an egg. He had it between his front paws and was beginning to put the bitey on it. I got it before it broke, but I wonder if he hasn't found them before and eaten them. I have a couple of hens that insist on laying in or near the hay rack in the goat shed, rather than in their nesting boxes. Too bad chickens aren't as easy to train! At least I can deter him by closing the gate to that stall.

What I can't deter is how quickly he's growing. Sometimes it seems as though somebody swaps our Kris for a bigger dog during the night. I confess that was something I never considered when I got him. I just knew he was the dog for us.

March 23, 2012

What's Growing: Puppy Dog, Goat Bellies, & Winter Wheat

The Puppy is Growing.....

Kris, 3 months old

Kris seems to be growing right before our eyes. He's got the Berner markings and Anatolian coloring, fur, and body conformation, except for the tail. His tail doesn't have the Anatolian Shepherd curl. We'll have to wait and see where the Pyrenees shows itself, though his head and face are similar. All three breeds are huge dogs.

Goat Bellies are Growing .....

Only Jasmine would cooperate for a photo op..

Upcoming potential due dates: April 3 or April 25.

The Winter Wheat is Growing .....

Winter wheat, growing & starting to head

Happily, my winter wheat recovered from it's yellowed condition after I began to apply nitrogen. The fish emulsion was difficult to spray due to the size of the patch, but hand broadcast blood meal helped a lot. I could only find the little 3 pound bags (which cover 180 sq. ft) so it took several. There are still some stunted yellow spots but for the most part, it's doing well.

And who could resist a few more puppy pictures...





March 12, 2012

Puppy Report

Kris, almost 11 weeks old

So our cute "little" puppy is becoming a gangly, all-legs puppy. At his 2nd puppy check last Friday, he'd grown from 14 to 22 pounds in just three weeks.

Kris, running after Surprise

He has taken to following the goats around and seems to particularly like Surprise. She, on the other hand, has no use for him whatsoever, and presents him with the top of her head anytime he comes up to her. Fortunately he doesn't know that this means "mind your own beeswax" in goat body language, so he tries to lick her ears. Sadly, she has no appreciation for puppy kisses. She does seem to like his puppy food however and makes a beeline for it when it's time for Kris to eat. Of course, this is something she is not allowed to have.


There are two schools of thought regarding the training of livestock guardian dogs. Old school is for the puppy to have virtually no human contact for several weeks, to allow bonding with the stock. More current thinking is that the tendency to guard is more about genetic instinct. Some dogs naturally make better guardians than others, even within the LGD breeds themselves. This line of thinking says the puppy needs to be kept with the stock, but also needs human socialization. It needs to know basic commands, be leash trained, and be able to be transported for things like vet visits. Folks who raise LGDs now, say the instinct to guard livestock just "kicks in."


We had a go-round with "kennel cough," which was worrisome. Fortunately we caught it before it developed into pneumonia, but Kris had to come stay in the house while he was coughing and congested. After that he came in at night and on rainy days; something he did not like. I can't say that I blame him and am glad he's an outdoor dog, but we felt he needed to use his energy for getting well, not keeping his body temperature up in the cold and wet.

The goats have been slow to appreciate him.

For the goats, it was initially us against it

Of course, he wants to play in ways they don't. Still, they're beginning to tolerate him. Of the chickens, he's decided to keep a repsectful distance.

Watching Mrs. Mean parade by

But then, he's seen Mrs. Mean giving "what for" to the pullets. Other than that, he's a happy little guy, all puppy.


Of the dog next door (which prompted us to get Kris), he is being chained up outside again. He has a much sturdier collar, but he has taken to barking at our chickens and goats. He must remember all the fun he had chasing them. Every critter on our side of the fence ignores him, but when he gets worked up, he fights and struggles to get out of that collar. So far it's held. We are seriously thinking about putting up a wood privacy fence there, just so he can't see and be tempted.

Jasmine, Surprise, & Kris

Anyway, that's the puppy report. :)


February 13, 2012

I'm Not A Dog Person, But.....

[CLARIFICATION: The post title is in no way meant to convey that we do not like dogs. It simply means that for pets, we prefer cats. :) ]

A few days ago, I happened out onto the back porch and my attention was immediately drawn to a chicken fuss. I looked, and saw a brown animal running behind the bushes. Thinking it must be Billy, our wether, I wondered why he was running around like that. Then I saw it run the other direction. Of course I had to investigate and quickly realized it was in fact a big brown dog. It was in the buck area, chasing chickens. The boys were trying to hide in the undergrowth of trees.

I took off running, wondering what I could grab to fend it off, throw at it, or use to clobber the living daylights out of it. Dan keeps a rifle and a handgun in the house, but I've only had lessons once and and at that moment, regretted not insisting on regular practice. I definitely would have shot that dog. As it was, I grabbed an old bed rail that was in use to hold down tarps.

I was fighting mad by the time I got there. When the dog saw me, it ran to the opposite corner of the fence. The goats came to me when I called and I let them out the back gate. As I stomped toward the front, hefting my mighty bed rail, the dog watched from his corner. At the front gate I called the chickens, who came running too. I shooed them out the front gate, and the dog was trapped in the buck pasture by himself.

I looked at him. He looked at me. He looked just like my next door neighbor's dog, except they keep their dog collared and on a chain when he's outside. This dog had no collar. I decided my best course of action was to call animal control. As I scanned the area to reassure myself that the dog was fenced in alone, he turned, hooked his front paws over the top of the fence, and hoisted himself up and over to the other side. This is a 4 foot fence, and I've never seen a dog do that. I watched it run around the trees and into the next door neighbor's yard and onto their porch. It was mid morning and no one was at home.

I went to do a check on the goats and count beaks. The boys (especially Billy) were upset but fine. Of the chickens I could only account for 11. I went back to the buck pasture for another look, and saw that the dog had come back and was standing on the other side of the fence. He took off when I yelled. Next I walked the perimeter of the front pasture. My neighbor from across the street came over to tell me he had seen the whole thing, if I needed a witness.

I found a couple scatterings of feathers on the ground, but couldn't find the missing chicken. I spent the rest of the day outside, keeping watch. The dog paced his own yard and ran around in the luxury of his freedom. Dan got home about the same time the dog's owners did, and he went to talk to them. Fortunately they were apologetic rather than defensive. They have been responsible with this dog and we realize it was an accident. Still, accidents can result in dead livestock, because unless a dog is bred for working with livestock, it will (no matter how nice, well trained, or sweet) chase down small livestock to the death. It's not necessarily malicious, but instinctive, because dogs are after all, predators by heredity.

Dan and I had a long talk that night, which resulted in taking a course of action we had discussed previously, but not pursued until now. Meet Kris ...

This is the photo that was linked to the ad.

He's a 7 week old Bernese, Pyrenees, Anatolian mix. His father is a registered Bernese Mountain Dog, and his mama is a 50/50 mix of Great Pyrenees and Anatolian Shepherd. All three of these breeds are classified as working dogs, the Pyrenees and Anatolians bred specifically as livestock guardian dogs (LGDs). Bernese Mountain Dogs are used extensively in Europe and some places in the US as general purpose farm dogs.

We've been thinking about getting a dog for a long time, ever since Charlie (my llama) died. We've been told that at one time, there were coyotes, bobcats, and black bears in the area, but no one has seen any of these in over a decade. Our current predatory problems are stray dogs and hawks, deer too, if one considers how well they prey on the garden. Since our acreage is small, I don't necessarily need a guardian to stick to the goats like glue, but we do need a dog that we can trust with our livestock, will live with the goats, and has strong guarding instincts for the property in general.

I am hoping that this will be a good genetic mix for us.  Genetic instincts seem to be key, and cannot be trained into or out of an animal. Purebreds are way out of our price range, so breed mix was something I considered carefully. It was also important that both this puppy's parents worked with livestock. Personality is a factor too, but this would be harder (for me at least) to discern with a puppy.

Neither Dan nor I have had dogs around since we were kids. Still, this seems to be a necessary addition to our homestead.

What, is that

Introductions were supervised

The chickens kept their distance

Cattle panels make a great puppy yard, both for their sake & his.

My missing chicken eventually showed up at the coop, Billy remained skittish for several days, and we haven't seen the neighbor's dog since.